Okay. So Erida and I have decided we should do a tournament or filler event before we get into the next stage of the plot. This thread is dedicated to the ideas of everyone towards this tournament, so without further ado lets start brainstorming people!

So, should definitely tie it into the actual story, rather than it being an actual staged tournament. Thing is, the plot is currently staged in such a way that it would be hard to get proper interaction between the races.

Unless you had something - perhaps some secret about the Heart - appear on Earth. Then you have people scrambling to find out, because anyone could want that knowledge even if they don't seek the artefact. Once you have the setting, you create the brackets and kick things off.

One thing to consider is making whatever holds this secret emit an aura that equalises everyone (think along the lines of placing a limiter on the Captain-classes), so that matchups can be made more easily. We can destroy said device post-tournament so that it doesn't cause problems after.

I like your idea Saelien. In terms of the tournament I think we should weave it into the story. Here is my suggestion:

Firstly we don't involve the Heart of Darkness, instead the entire tournament is orchestrated by a powerful group of people based of the Norse Gods: Odin, Thor and Loki etc. As the Norse Gods and the mythology was based on a place called Valhalla [which would be a board for the matches to occur], the gods offer a prize for each division (the division would be based on tier brackets ie. Div 2 = Tier 2-?, Div 3 = 3-? etc.) Everyone above tier 2-1 is temporarily bumped down to 2-1.

Each Division will have a prize for the winner of said division which we will work on, maybe an item, technique, ability or tier up etc. Upon the end of the event "Valhalla" is unavailable as a place to go.

Opinions and Thoughts everyone?

Okay, so I've been thinking, and I think that I like Izuna's idea. It has the filler sub-plot feeling of the Bleach series. Here's my ideas, a little different from his.

-- Background: In the ancient times, the people worshiped hundreds and hundreds of different gods. Some of them were mere humans, who were deified for supernatural gifts they possessed, whilst some were hollows, who, instead of hunting, manipulated their followers into sacrificing souls to them. Between years 1 to 200 AD, the Quincy had already spread into Europe, destroying the shrines of these 'False Gods' under the commands of their own, monotheistic god. Around the same time, the Gotei 13 was established in Soul Society and the shinigami began to operate in the World of Living in large-scale. This forced the 'False Gods' into exile, for those who stayed back were destroyed or purified - the Earth was no longer theirs to rule. Some adamantly continued to be worshiped in the Americas and Oceania, until the late 1500s, when the last of the great 'False Gods' abandoned their temples. Rumor has it, some of the lesser gods do still exist and are deified by small cults, shattered all around the world.

-- Pantheon: A group of the remaining 'False Gods' banded together, and together created a safe haven for those, who survived the persecutions. The Pantheon. A city floating in the skies, located within a small anomaly in the dimensional fabric - inaccessible to outsiders, a fortress built into a world of it's own, and a home to the last of the gods. There, they have reigned over the souls trapped with them for what seems to be two thousand years, only surfacing to the Earth every now and then, when their food supply begins to deplete. However, co-existence with other gods wasn't as peaceful as everyone expected. In the two thousand years, skirmishes and conflicts have taken place over the highest authority inside the Pantheon, decreasing the number of the 'False Gods' even further. Now, there is only a bunch of them left to inhabit the Pantheon.

-- Present: The existence of Pantheon has been a myth until now. Nobody knows why, but after the opening of the portal between Alpha and Delta universes, the dimensional fabric hiding the Pantheon from everyone has been damaged - in both universes, blue-colored vortexes, gates to the Pantheon, have opened in hidden locations in World of Living. The isolated city of old gods has sparked the interest of Gotei 13, Espada and unaligned individuals alike. A race for the treasures hidden in the vault of 'False Gods' has began.

-- Gods: The Pantheon is not Valhalla, Olympos, etc., and does not appear in mythology. Instead, the floating city is divided into zones, that each fit to the description of a mythical place in the mythology of the gods inhabiting it - four zones, with each leading to the main palace of Pantheon, where the big bosses and the treasures will be located in. There could be max 10 gods surviving the past 2000 years, and their identities will be decided by a poll.

We will make a global announcement, with a poll asking for member's favorite mythologies (gods could be also named, if a member has a favorite one). Greek, Norse, Mesoamerican, etc, would be options. The results of the poll will decided which mythologies will be used, whilst the staff can decide on what gods we chose for the tournament event - more on how we are going to calculate this, when the time comes, later.

-- Other Stuff:

x Let's make the Pantheon have a tier-equalizing effect as Saelien suggested. The weaker Gods will be on equal tier with the characters invading the city, while the boss Gods will stand one tier higher.

x Quick, very brief NPC apps for the chosen Gods? These would be located on the Tournament board.

x Reward ideas? Something concrete, ie. not a free technique slot etc. This will be revealed on the Grande Finale.

x FINALLY! What are we calling this?

Sounds good.

In terms of a name, you could always call the event 'Götterdämmerung'.

How are we defining 'winners' - that will help decide what the prize is.

I dislike the idea that they are all deceased and I think they shouldn't all be in one place.... if we spread the different mythologies out to other places we can create more and much more defined sub-plots to them. Instead of one big sub-plot which ends and the pantheon's just disappear which if we use my mythology idea on histories then the gods are meant to be quite important and so it wouldn't make sense to have a small little band of these beings.

It also doesn't make sense in terms of the way it is set out, firstly why would they all exist in a single dimension when they could create their own separate dimensions, I oppose the idea and think that there should be multiple dimensions with multiple gods, not just a handful. It allows a much more in depth design to the sub-plots and not just he superficial basics in a plot where they are all thrown into the same dimension, I mean seriously. If you put all mythological pantheons into a single room they would destroy each other from cultural difference, therefore I don't approve of this idea about them being all in a single dimension.

It's not meant to be a large plot though - we have core plots underway and if we make the gods presence extensive then you can very quickly make that subplot very bloated.

If the gods are to have a bigger role, then I think they would need to be brought in as a proper plot and later down the line.

Izuna Kimura wrote:I dislike the idea that they are all deceased and I think they shouldn't all be in one place.... if we spread the different mythologies out to other places we can create more and much more defined sub-plots to them. Instead of one big sub-plot which ends and the pantheon's just disappear which if we use my mythology idea on histories then the gods are meant to be quite important and so it wouldn't make sense to have a small little band of these beings.

It also doesn't make sense in terms of the way it is set out, firstly why would they all exist in a single dimension when they could create their own separate dimensions, I oppose the idea and think that there should be multiple dimensions with multiple gods, not just a handful. It allows a much more in depth design to the sub-plots and not just he superficial basics in a plot where they are all thrown into the same dimension, I mean seriously. If you put all mythological pantheons into a single room they would destroy each other from cultural difference, therefore I don't approve of this idea about them being all in a single dimension.

Um, I am somewhat confused. Are you proposing we make this a massive plot? Do you want to turn this into sub-plots instead of a tournament-type of event?

The entire idea is that the tournament place appears, tournament bosses get defeated/killed, and the tournament place ceases to exist. This is not a sub-plot, but a tournament event that will be over in a few weeks if we have good luck. Sub-plot could last for several months at minimum, in my opinion.

What do you mean by history you've thought out?

They are a part of site lore, as we discussed, and we're among the greatest living beings around their own time - but, the inevitable fact is, that they are not present in the current day. Most rational and logical occurrence was their exile and extinction. Why else would they have let humans stop worshiping them? I don't see a reasonable explanation on your part. Can you expand on what you mean?

I don't see what you refer to by "they could create their own separate dimensions". They are not real gods, like Soul King. They are supernatural beings, that, when compared with humans who worshiped them, are god-like. This doesn't mean they are powerful, not in my opinion. They could very well be around 4-1 or something. Creating a personal dimension is something, that is easy to accomplish if you are a real god. Not if you're a hollow or a human.

If you didn't read, they did destroy each other. There is a maximum of 10 left. Cultural differences seem like a valid reason for why they fought each other in the first place. Now, they stick together to survive, for if they do not get along or at least pretend to get along, they're all going to die.

Now, to [Only admins are allowed to see this link], who obviously didn't have a problem with this idea, but did have a problem with yours, Izuna, since what you are proposing is not a tournament but a full-scale plot. So, I forgot to add, that the Pantheon would be a no-death zone for everyone, but the False Gods, who are bound to it. In the event of their death, the Pantheon will collapse, and everyone who died or did not die there, will be returned to the place from where they entered the special dimension.

The prize should be a concrete object or artifact, maybe even multiple ones - the weapons of the False Gods could be acquired by whoever defeats the divinity in question, whilst the final prize could be something really, really great. We could look into mythologies to decide what exactly it is? It would be something that benefits a faction and an individual alike.

The shinigami aligned with Gotei 13 would make a one "team", and Espada could make another - and then there would be unaligned individuals. All of these parties will compete against each other, so we are expecting, that the people left standing after the main boss, will fight to get to the treasure/prize. Maybe the vault can only be accessed by a single person at a time, or something?

So the winner is defined by who is left standing. If all of the people left standing in the end are of the same team, then the prize would go for that team - if it's an individual, then the prize will go to them.

I am not disputing the fact this is a tournament event. However if we spread different mythologies pantheons over different events ie. The Norse Gods throw a tournament, it would make complete sense for them and prizes could be tangible artifacts such as Thor's Hammer, maybe the champion could even get Odin's ravens which granted him immense knowledge. What I am saying is we could do this with the Norse Gods, the end of the event could also lead to Ragnarok in the Norse Mythology when Fenrir eat Odin [ie. The apocalypse of Norse Mythology] which ended this pantheon and tournament with the destruction of Norse Mythology.

Other ideas can be things such as the introduction of a Crusade made by the Quincy, lead by the most powerful Quincy: The Archangels, since Christianity and all that related stuff was orchestrated by the Second Son, perhaps his secret army of followers disguised as simple Christians, Catholics etc. all revolt at some point instead of the Quincy Blood War in the canon plot. The Egyptian Pantheon could be more of a quest through the furthest reaches of Hueco Mundo in search of the tresures of the gods, if you are familiar with this mythology the pharohs took their possessions into the afterlife (Hueco Mundo) as did the Gods keep their treasures, this could be where people hunt down the last few gods and aim to steal what makes them powerful, ie. Horus's eyes granting perfect vision with near flawless accuracy, Toth's brain which could give incredible knowledge and mental capabilities.

What I am saying in essence is let's take different pantheons and spread them out to different little events which can be entered and left at will, for example Simetria could be hunting artifacts of Egyptian Gods and the like while in conflict with the other factions. It will give us much more to work with and to incorperate into the site and allow new plots to be created easily if we do not just throw all the gods, close to extinction into a single event. It would get to confusing if people have to go between all these pantheons and the like, why crush them all into a single small event when we can create more defined and better small events?


Also Erida the historical ideas I have will be posted within the week, it is the Human World History we discussed. So yeah, I am just suggesting the Norse Gods atm, the tournament happens and then Ragnarok which brings about the end of this pantheon, then we can bring out more pantheons to more little events like this one.

Izuna Kimura wrote:I am not disputing the fact this is a tournament event. However if we spread different mythologies pantheons over different events ie. The Norse Gods throw a tournament, it would make complete sense for them and prizes could be tangible artifacts such as Thor's Hammer, maybe the champion could even get Odin's ravens which granted him immense knowledge. What I am saying is we could do this with the Norse Gods, the end of the event could also lead to Ragnarok in the Norse Mythology when Fenrir eat Odin [ie. The apocalypse of Norse Mythology] which ended this pantheon and tournament with the destruction of Norse Mythology.

Other ideas can be things such as the introduction of a Crusade made by the Quincy, lead by the most powerful Quincy: The Archangels, since Christianity and all that related stuff was orchestrated by the Second Son, perhaps his secret army of followers disguised as simple Christians, Catholics etc. all revolt at some point instead of the Quincy Blood War in the canon plot. The Egyptian Pantheon could be more of a quest through the furthest reaches of Hueco Mundo in search of the tresures of the gods, if you are familiar with this mythology the pharohs took their possessions into the afterlife (Hueco Mundo) as did the Gods keep their treasures, this could be where people hunt down the last few gods and aim to steal what makes them powerful, ie. Horus's eyes granting perfect vision with near flawless accuracy, Toth's brain which could give incredible knowledge and mental capabilities.

What I am saying in essence is let's take different pantheons and spread them out to different little events which can be entered and left at will, for example Simetria could be hunting artifacts of Egyptian Gods and the like while in conflict with the other factions. It will give us much more to work with and to incorperate into the site and allow new plots to be created easily if we do not just throw all the gods, close to extinction into a single event. It would get to confusing if people have to go between all these pantheons and the like, why crush them all into a single small event when we can create more defined and better small events?

Also Erida the historical ideas I have will be posted within the week, it is the Human World History we discussed. So yeah, I am just suggesting the Norse Gods atm, the tournament happens and then Ragnarok which brings about the end of this pantheon, then we can bring out more pantheons to more little events like this one.

I think spreading the mythologies to completely different events is too extreme and exaggerates the existence of the gods, that humans used to worship. The idea, that they have escaped to somewhere, with most of the 'False Gods' dead, is more preferable. I refuse to carry out a full-size sub-plot on these gods, when we have a main plot that we need to take care of after this event - despite your reply where you say you're 'not disputing the fact this is a tournament event', the rest of your post makes it pretty clear what you're after. I don't want a plot centered around the 'False Gods', because, to be honest, they do not fit to a major role in the Bleach universe we are speaking of. In addition, you're throwing in more plot ideas, instead of contributing to the tournament idea.

Personally, I am against it being the Norse pantheon in specific, because I find the mythology in question uninteresting. That is why I contributed the idea by suggesting we do a multi-mythology event, instead of saying we should focus on the Greek or Egyptian pantheon instead. You replied with disagreeing with the idea, because you'd prefer to see Norse pantheon played out and/or because you want to actually make this into a sub-plot.